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	<title>Comments for Humboldt Medical Marijuana Advisory Panel</title>
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		<title>Comment on Pot-Farmer&#8217;s Market in Yolo County? by Admin</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2010/05/31/pot-farmers-market-in-yolo-county/comment-page-1/#comment-1774</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might try looking up Tea House Collective. They&#039;re a local collective of growers who specialize in organic, sun-grown, eco-friendly cannabis.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pot-Farmer&#8217;s Market in Yolo County? by Zack Peleras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack Peleras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 06:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Whom It May Concern:

ECO Z Collective 
I am a new ownwer of a collective. I an looking for medicine for my patients of my clooective. Looking for top shelf medicine for 1500.00 to 1800.00 per unit.
Indica, saltiva &amp; Hybirds.
Please call me at 714-955-2678.
Sincerely,
Zack / Owner / President</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Whom It May Concern:</p>
<p>ECO Z Collective<br />
I am a new ownwer of a collective. I an looking for medicine for my patients of my clooective. Looking for top shelf medicine for 1500.00 to 1800.00 per unit.<br />
Indica, saltiva &amp; Hybirds.<br />
Please call me at 714-955-2678.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Zack / Owner / President</p>
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		<title>Comment on Phase I medical marijuana ordinance to be presented at County Planning meeting Thursday, August 18th. by Admin</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2011/08/17/phase-i-medical-marijuana-ordinance-to-be-presented-at-county-planning-meeting-thursday-august-18th/comment-page-1/#comment-1763</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note on comments: When I posted this new draft and my opening comments on it, I simply replaced the old post content with the new. Unfortunately, being tired, I forgot to remove all the old comments on the old post, so for a few days there were comments here that might have seemed unrelated or odd—because they were. 

Please make your opinions known!

—Admin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note on comments: When I posted this new draft and my opening comments on it, I simply replaced the old post content with the new. Unfortunately, being tired, I forgot to remove all the old comments on the old post, so for a few days there were comments here that might have seemed unrelated or odd—because they were. </p>
<p>Please make your opinions known!</p>
<p>—Admin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New DRAFT HuMMAP Medical Marijuana Ordinance submitted to Planning Commission staff. by izzy</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2011/05/08/new-draft-hummap-medical-marijuana-ordinance-submitted-to-planning-commission-staff/comment-page-1/#comment-1752</link>
		<dc:creator>izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe some of the things most out of focus in this draft are the following:

1. Limiting Indoor growing to anything more stringent then the scaling limits in trinity county, would dis advantage hum county with out just cause. (http://www.trinitycounty.org/Departments/Planning/PDF/Medical%20Marijuana%20Moratorium%20Fact%20Sheet%20&amp;%20Complaint%20Form.pdf)

2. limiting the amount grown for some and space of grow for others is ripe for abuse for example a collective allowed 1500sqft of out door grow could grow off season crops of auto flowering plants in heated green houses, wile the farmer limited by weight would not have that option.

3. by trying to permit everyone and everything involved you will destroy access to the jobs wile creating massive application and enforcement costs. a farm hand doesn&#039;t need to get a permit, why should a trimmer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe some of the things most out of focus in this draft are the following:</p>
<p>1. Limiting Indoor growing to anything more stringent then the scaling limits in trinity county, would dis advantage hum county with out just cause. (<a href="http://www.trinitycounty.org/Departments/Planning/PDF/Medical%20Marijuana%20Moratorium%20Fact%20Sheet%20&#038;%20Complaint%20Form.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.trinitycounty.org/Departments/Planning/PDF/Medical%20Marijuana%20Moratorium%20Fact%20Sheet%20&#038;%20Complaint%20Form.pdf</a>)</p>
<p>2. limiting the amount grown for some and space of grow for others is ripe for abuse for example a collective allowed 1500sqft of out door grow could grow off season crops of auto flowering plants in heated green houses, wile the farmer limited by weight would not have that option.</p>
<p>3. by trying to permit everyone and everything involved you will destroy access to the jobs wile creating massive application and enforcement costs. a farm hand doesn&#8217;t need to get a permit, why should a trimmer?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New DRAFT HuMMAP Medical Marijuana Ordinance submitted to Planning Commission staff. by Joe Blow</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2011/05/08/new-draft-hummap-medical-marijuana-ordinance-submitted-to-planning-commission-staff/comment-page-1/#comment-1749</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Blow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#l3.  Since when is outdoor organic marijuana preferred and wanted. You can&#039;t give it away these days. Who made up these stupid comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#l3.  Since when is outdoor organic marijuana preferred and wanted. You can&#8217;t give it away these days. Who made up these stupid comments?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New DRAFT HuMMAP Medical Marijuana Ordinance submitted to Planning Commission staff. by Admin</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2011/05/08/new-draft-hummap-medical-marijuana-ordinance-submitted-to-planning-commission-staff/comment-page-1/#comment-1743</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NHG,

There are very good reasons for not ever making rough drafts or works-in-progress of anything public, whether art, film or ordinances. Mainly, there will always be people who don&#039;t understand how dramatically something can change and will vehemently shoot the proposal down, hurling curses and epithets at the writers, when what is needed and asked-for is constructive criticism and new ideas. 

But that is the risk one runs in a democracy, no? We&#039;d rather have it that way, keeping with SoHum traditions and values, than the less savory alternatives of letting the County officials run things or playing the standard political game and buying politicians and making backroom deals. 

As to HuMMAP meetings being open, let us know if you&#039;d like to bring your ideas to a meeting and we&#039;ll let you know when the next one is. They are generally small and informal. 

As to us being qualified, we&#039;ll be the first to say that we&#039;re not! This is why we set up this site and have been soliciting input from the public from the very start. We need help to work out a small-farmer-friendly version to counter the un-friendly ordinance the County came up with. We are the only group who is actively soliciting public input, so we expect criticism. There are also considerable differences of opinion among us that have yet to be worked out, as anyone who has been to a meeting should certainly know.

We&#039;d be surprised if anyone who cared was actually unaware that we&#039;d turned in a draft to the County Planning Staff, given that we post it here and we post it on the HuMMAP Facebook page—always, I may add, asking for more input and comments. (We even allow anonymous people to comment.) I think the fact that we submitted a proposal was also reported on KMUD. I guess this just means we need better outreach, huh?   
  
Regarding the indoor size: it was a sloppy error that indoor got in there at any size. (It now has a strikeout through it.) Most of us in SoHum feel that indoor should only be for personal medical use, at about the same size as the Eureka city ordinance (up to 100ft/sq) but we need to have more input from NoHum, where more people grow indoors.

I can also say that many of us are not in agreement about the limits on number of licenses as written. That is definitely going to change, for exactly the reasons you mention. As the marijuana economy (medical or possibly recreational in 2012) transforms rapidly, everyone in the industry will need to have as much freedom as possible to creatively adapt and find their niche in the larger economic ecosystem. So, for example, a grower could also open a medical marijuana &quot;dispensary&quot; of sorts in the form of a &quot;bud and breakfast,&quot; sell edibles made from their trim, conduct local guided tours for clients and so on. 

At the same time, the challenge is to try to prevent giant outside corporations from monopolizing the industry &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; to head-off the formation of a homegrown good-old-boys network who, through their crony networks, end up controlling all the dispensaries and nurseries in Humboldt, overproduce &quot;Humboldt-branded&quot; medical marijuana and gobble up most of the dispensary contracts in the urban centers for Humboldt-branded outdoor pot. This would leave most mom-and-pop growers completely out of the loop. 

Is it possible to strike such a balance, between preventing monopoly and promoting a democratic marketplace on the one hand and stifling creativity, competition and opportunity on the other? I personally don&#039;t know and it has been the subject of many heated discussions. 

We&#039;d love to hear anyone&#039;s input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NHG,</p>
<p>There are very good reasons for not ever making rough drafts or works-in-progress of anything public, whether art, film or ordinances. Mainly, there will always be people who don&#8217;t understand how dramatically something can change and will vehemently shoot the proposal down, hurling curses and epithets at the writers, when what is needed and asked-for is constructive criticism and new ideas. </p>
<p>But that is the risk one runs in a democracy, no? We&#8217;d rather have it that way, keeping with SoHum traditions and values, than the less savory alternatives of letting the County officials run things or playing the standard political game and buying politicians and making backroom deals. </p>
<p>As to HuMMAP meetings being open, let us know if you&#8217;d like to bring your ideas to a meeting and we&#8217;ll let you know when the next one is. They are generally small and informal. </p>
<p>As to us being qualified, we&#8217;ll be the first to say that we&#8217;re not! This is why we set up this site and have been soliciting input from the public from the very start. We need help to work out a small-farmer-friendly version to counter the un-friendly ordinance the County came up with. We are the only group who is actively soliciting public input, so we expect criticism. There are also considerable differences of opinion among us that have yet to be worked out, as anyone who has been to a meeting should certainly know.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d be surprised if anyone who cared was actually unaware that we&#8217;d turned in a draft to the County Planning Staff, given that we post it here and we post it on the HuMMAP Facebook page—always, I may add, asking for more input and comments. (We even allow anonymous people to comment.) I think the fact that we submitted a proposal was also reported on KMUD. I guess this just means we need better outreach, huh?   </p>
<p>Regarding the indoor size: it was a sloppy error that indoor got in there at any size. (It now has a strikeout through it.) Most of us in SoHum feel that indoor should only be for personal medical use, at about the same size as the Eureka city ordinance (up to 100ft/sq) but we need to have more input from NoHum, where more people grow indoors.</p>
<p>I can also say that many of us are not in agreement about the limits on number of licenses as written. That is definitely going to change, for exactly the reasons you mention. As the marijuana economy (medical or possibly recreational in 2012) transforms rapidly, everyone in the industry will need to have as much freedom as possible to creatively adapt and find their niche in the larger economic ecosystem. So, for example, a grower could also open a medical marijuana &#8220;dispensary&#8221; of sorts in the form of a &#8220;bud and breakfast,&#8221; sell edibles made from their trim, conduct local guided tours for clients and so on. </p>
<p>At the same time, the challenge is to try to prevent giant outside corporations from monopolizing the industry <em>and</em> to head-off the formation of a homegrown good-old-boys network who, through their crony networks, end up controlling all the dispensaries and nurseries in Humboldt, overproduce &#8220;Humboldt-branded&#8221; medical marijuana and gobble up most of the dispensary contracts in the urban centers for Humboldt-branded outdoor pot. This would leave most mom-and-pop growers completely out of the loop. </p>
<p>Is it possible to strike such a balance, between preventing monopoly and promoting a democratic marketplace on the one hand and stifling creativity, competition and opportunity on the other? I personally don&#8217;t know and it has been the subject of many heated discussions. </p>
<p>We&#8217;d love to hear anyone&#8217;s input.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New DRAFT HuMMAP Medical Marijuana Ordinance submitted to Planning Commission staff. by Charley</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2011/05/08/new-draft-hummap-medical-marijuana-ordinance-submitted-to-planning-commission-staff/comment-page-1/#comment-1742</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, NoHum. Our first draft only introduces complexities, it doesn&#039;t solve them. Most of us agree with most of what you said, just so you know. You&#039;ll see the next draft correct the problems with restricting activities and indefensible limits. 

We haven&#039;t had more public meetings up north because we don&#039;t have folks from the Humboldt Bay area who can backstop organizing them. We can&#039;t do it all from down here. Please drop a line to the contact email and we&#039;ll plug you into the conversations, and hope for your help in spreading them up North. 

The 1500 square foot number will rise. How high? Depends on responses to what we&#039;ve put out so far. All in all, we knuckleheads need more help to work more effectively, and we hope you&#039;ll join us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, NoHum. Our first draft only introduces complexities, it doesn&#8217;t solve them. Most of us agree with most of what you said, just so you know. You&#8217;ll see the next draft correct the problems with restricting activities and indefensible limits. </p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t had more public meetings up north because we don&#8217;t have folks from the Humboldt Bay area who can backstop organizing them. We can&#8217;t do it all from down here. Please drop a line to the contact email and we&#8217;ll plug you into the conversations, and hope for your help in spreading them up North. </p>
<p>The 1500 square foot number will rise. How high? Depends on responses to what we&#8217;ve put out so far. All in all, we knuckleheads need more help to work more effectively, and we hope you&#8217;ll join us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New DRAFT HuMMAP Medical Marijuana Ordinance submitted to Planning Commission staff. by No Hum Grower</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2011/05/08/new-draft-hummap-medical-marijuana-ordinance-submitted-to-planning-commission-staff/comment-page-1/#comment-1740</link>
		<dc:creator>No Hum Grower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 04:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This latest draft is worse than the last. Now you guys want to allow 1,500 sq ft of plant canopy indoors? That is 93.75 lights. Are you a bunch of diesel growers? Is that what your plan is? Shut down outdoor grows to permit your monster indoors? You want to limit outdoor grows to 1500 sq ft and license indoor grows that will produce 400-600 lbs per year? You guys are idiots. 
No one can grow more than 1500 sq ft outdoors but if you have a parcel with five residences on it you can get five small farmer permits?  If I am a grower I can&#039;t trim my own pot? I can&#039;t bag my own pot? I can&#039;t make hash? You have shown that you are not qualified to be making these decisions for the county. We can only hope to god the county thinks you guys are crack pots and doesn&#039;t listen to you. 
Who is Hummap? What makes you knuckleheads qualified to be making these decisions? Who is your board? Who is writing this crap? When are these public meetings? I have talked with several people who have given money to Hummap and have never been invited to a meeting or even knew that Hummap has turned in a draft to the county. Hummap should be disbanded before the county starts taking any of your crap seriously and you do any more serious damage to what could be a thriving medical industry. 
Who the hell are you guys? Show yourselves!!! Either you are giant indoor growers or you are not involved in the industry enough to know the damage you will cause with this ordinance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This latest draft is worse than the last. Now you guys want to allow 1,500 sq ft of plant canopy indoors? That is 93.75 lights. Are you a bunch of diesel growers? Is that what your plan is? Shut down outdoor grows to permit your monster indoors? You want to limit outdoor grows to 1500 sq ft and license indoor grows that will produce 400-600 lbs per year? You guys are idiots.<br />
No one can grow more than 1500 sq ft outdoors but if you have a parcel with five residences on it you can get five small farmer permits?  If I am a grower I can&#8217;t trim my own pot? I can&#8217;t bag my own pot? I can&#8217;t make hash? You have shown that you are not qualified to be making these decisions for the county. We can only hope to god the county thinks you guys are crack pots and doesn&#8217;t listen to you.<br />
Who is Hummap? What makes you knuckleheads qualified to be making these decisions? Who is your board? Who is writing this crap? When are these public meetings? I have talked with several people who have given money to Hummap and have never been invited to a meeting or even knew that Hummap has turned in a draft to the county. Hummap should be disbanded before the county starts taking any of your crap seriously and you do any more serious damage to what could be a thriving medical industry.<br />
Who the hell are you guys? Show yourselves!!! Either you are giant indoor growers or you are not involved in the industry enough to know the damage you will cause with this ordinance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New DRAFT HuMMAP Medical Marijuana Ordinance submitted to Planning Commission staff. by Charley</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2011/05/08/new-draft-hummap-medical-marijuana-ordinance-submitted-to-planning-commission-staff/comment-page-1/#comment-1736</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Bud. We figure that indoor growing will soon go the way of the dodo and the Fukushima power plant, so the appellation language is indeed about branding outdoor, our 40-year marquee crop.

The thing about Kelly is that the feds don&#039;t care. So we&#039;re looking for a balance between many contending standards and considerations. It ain&#039;t easy and it won&#039;t be straightforward.

Same goes for the &#039;convoluted draft law itself,&#039; which engages with the complexities of our evolving industry. We&#039;re trying to help the county consider what&#039;s actually out there, but we don&#039;t expect this draft to be the end of the process. I hope you&#039;ll stay with it too, your comments are spot on, and I appreciate getting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Bud. We figure that indoor growing will soon go the way of the dodo and the Fukushima power plant, so the appellation language is indeed about branding outdoor, our 40-year marquee crop.</p>
<p>The thing about Kelly is that the feds don&#8217;t care. So we&#8217;re looking for a balance between many contending standards and considerations. It ain&#8217;t easy and it won&#8217;t be straightforward.</p>
<p>Same goes for the &#8216;convoluted draft law itself,&#8217; which engages with the complexities of our evolving industry. We&#8217;re trying to help the county consider what&#8217;s actually out there, but we don&#8217;t expect this draft to be the end of the process. I hope you&#8217;ll stay with it too, your comments are spot on, and I appreciate getting them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New DRAFT HuMMAP Medical Marijuana Ordinance submitted to Planning Commission staff. by Bud Green</title>
		<link>http://hummap.org/2011/05/08/new-draft-hummap-medical-marijuana-ordinance-submitted-to-planning-commission-staff/comment-page-1/#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>Bud Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 22:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the findings to be overly focused on maintaining &quot;Humboldt&quot; as an appellation, which may be deserved for outdoor-grown cannabis but not for indoor. Are you claiming that Humboldt halides are superior? C&#039;mon. 

It also bears mention that ANY type of limit on cultivation parcel sizes may not be enforceable, just as the Kelly decision threw out the hard cap on plant numbers found in SB 420. Nothing in Prop. 215 or SB 420 authorizes local governments to act on their own.

With that said, we turn to the convoluted draft law itself, and it raises as many questions as it answers. Permits for everyone, an 11-member council, and no real teeth to ensure compliance from growers who tend to bend and break the laws anyway. In short, the draft ordinance focuses on the right issues, but it&#039;s all over the map when it comes to solutions. Smaller bites of the apple may be more palatable to everyone involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the findings to be overly focused on maintaining &#8220;Humboldt&#8221; as an appellation, which may be deserved for outdoor-grown cannabis but not for indoor. Are you claiming that Humboldt halides are superior? C&#8217;mon. </p>
<p>It also bears mention that ANY type of limit on cultivation parcel sizes may not be enforceable, just as the Kelly decision threw out the hard cap on plant numbers found in SB 420. Nothing in Prop. 215 or SB 420 authorizes local governments to act on their own.</p>
<p>With that said, we turn to the convoluted draft law itself, and it raises as many questions as it answers. Permits for everyone, an 11-member council, and no real teeth to ensure compliance from growers who tend to bend and break the laws anyway. In short, the draft ordinance focuses on the right issues, but it&#8217;s all over the map when it comes to solutions. Smaller bites of the apple may be more palatable to everyone involved.</p>
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